and what bill clinton and the democratic party discovered when the issue was working in their favor in the 1990s is there is lots of constituents in the country who don't feel that way about guns. certain things on the ground have changed. the democratic party have changed be. in some ways, they're recovering lost knowledge from a previous generation of democrats that actually did know this back in the mid 1990s. >> do you think they're also recognizing that it's not just the median gun owner in oklahoma, doesn't represent the country as a whole, but also the -- the statements of the national rifle association. >> absolutely. >> do not even represent the beliefs of the standard national rifle association member. i mean there is also -- >> yep. >> this dysmorphia between who speaks on the issue and who has strong feelings about the iraq. >> i am now forever going to conjure the image of wayne lapierre when i hear the word dysmorphia. that actually has gotten worse. one of the perverse consequences of republican conservative victory guns is that the nra increasingly has had to justify it